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	<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Social Business thoughts by Social Business thoughts by Cholmes in &#8216;Into The Pudding&#8217; &#171; studyunus.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Business thoughts by Cholmes in &#8216;Into The Pudding&#8217; &#171; studyunus.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on June 18, 2008 by cholmes in &#8220;Into the Pudding&#8217;      Posted by bdoza Filed in Article Tags: Social [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Social Business thoughts by Todd Mayberry</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/social-biz/#comment-18093</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Mayberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a deeply flawed perspective of business as others that I respect have remarked. (http://blog.cleverelephant.ca/2008/06/deeply-flawed-perspective-on-business.html)

Let me offer the example of a 2200 acre farm that my wife and I have been involved with for many years. This  rural Jamaican farm has been in our friends family since the 1850's. It is one of those "entities that are fundamentally both in service of a mission and operated to draw income from the market, not from charity" 
These days the farm exist to create jobs for surrounding communities. However, just being able to keep 'the doors open' has not been enough lately. There are five businesses associated with the farm and at the end of the day they break even. As food prices soar, so do feed prices. So we want to pay our workers more (so they can feed their families)at the same time as it cost more to run the farm (feed the chickens and pigs). All of the sudden our mission become harder to attain.
The point is, we have to change the model. And the model of ‘Social Business’ is not deeply flawed, it is just an example of thinking out of the box in order to achieve ones mission. Even if our main obligation is to create jobs for rural farmers, profit should be the driving force behind our entrepreneurial businesses. Therefore, we can create something a bit more sustainable that can assure the farm and community will flourish in the days ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a deeply flawed perspective of business as others that I respect have remarked. (http://blog.cleverelephant.ca/2008/06/deeply-flawed-perspective-on-business.html)</p>
<p>Let me offer the example of a 2200 acre farm that my wife and I have been involved with for many years. This  rural Jamaican farm has been in our friends family since the 1850&#8217;s. It is one of those &#8220;entities that are fundamentally both in service of a mission and operated to draw income from the market, not from charity&#8221;<br />
These days the farm exist to create jobs for surrounding communities. However, just being able to keep &#8216;the doors open&#8217; has not been enough lately. There are five businesses associated with the farm and at the end of the day they break even. As food prices soar, so do feed prices. So we want to pay our workers more (so they can feed their families)at the same time as it cost more to run the farm (feed the chickens and pigs). All of the sudden our mission become harder to attain.<br />
The point is, we have to change the model. And the model of ‘Social Business’ is not deeply flawed, it is just an example of thinking out of the box in order to achieve ones mission. Even if our main obligation is to create jobs for rural farmers, profit should be the driving force behind our entrepreneurial businesses. Therefore, we can create something a bit more sustainable that can assure the farm and community will flourish in the days ahead.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New GeoServer Blog by [gel]</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/new-geoserver-blog/#comment-18092</link>
		<dc:creator>[gel]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;[gel]...&lt;/strong&gt;

The thing is, when a publisher buys a photo, they don’ t get exclusive rights to it unless they commission the photo shoot themselves (which is rare)- meaning anyone can come along and pay to use the same image, including other cover designers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>[gel]&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The thing is, when a publisher buys a photo, they don’ t get exclusive rights to it unless they commission the photo shoot themselves (which is rare)- meaning anyone can come along and pay to use the same image, including other cover designers&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Mapping: The Business Thread, cont. by sitethisweth</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/collaborative-mapping-the-business-thread-cont/#comment-18091</link>
		<dc:creator>sitethisweth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beechnuts things. cutting off turtle, a scientist. I remember of my little scissors were punished</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beechnuts things. cutting off turtle, a scientist. I remember of my little scissors were punished</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Business thoughts by Anil</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/social-biz/#comment-18090</link>
		<dc:creator>Anil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first became interested in this topic after reading this article in the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/10/30/061030fa_fact1).  Citibank makes some interesting points (although in my opinion ultimately unconvincing) about why there shouldn't be two stock markets.  They feel that if they treat micro finance patrons like other for-profit customers (i.e. trying to maximize profits), they will be able to provide better service to these patrons.

To comment on another one of Yunus's points, I really like his idea of a design competition.  When I worked at MIT the institution started a Social Entrepreneurship competition (http://mitsloan.mit.edu/newsroom/2006-100K.php).  This competition does a really good job at encouraging social business ventures that can get to a "full cost recovery" stage.  Many of the ideas that come out of MIT's competition have great potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first became interested in this topic after reading this article in the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/10/30/061030fa_fact1).  Citibank makes some interesting points (although in my opinion ultimately unconvincing) about why there shouldn&#8217;t be two stock markets.  They feel that if they treat micro finance patrons like other for-profit customers (i.e. trying to maximize profits), they will be able to provide better service to these patrons.</p>
<p>To comment on another one of Yunus&#8217;s points, I really like his idea of a design competition.  When I worked at MIT the institution started a Social Entrepreneurship competition (http://mitsloan.mit.edu/newsroom/2006-100K.php).  This competition does a really good job at encouraging social business ventures that can get to a &#8220;full cost recovery&#8221; stage.  Many of the ideas that come out of MIT&#8217;s competition have great potential.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Business thoughts by Todd Mayberry</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/social-biz/#comment-18084</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Mayberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, 

I think there is great promise in the fourth sector, or as you put it- the dot-org. Only if the tax laws in the States could be amended in order to entice more tech companies to go in that 'hybrid' direction. 
Presently, in Jamaica, we get private sector clients to invest in Open Source GIS solutions for government. Out of this arrangement emerges a for-benefit project, but it takes a while for all the stakeholders to realize our intentions. To me, adopting a vivid phrase like dot-org can only help unite our parallel missions. Thanks for all your great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, </p>
<p>I think there is great promise in the fourth sector, or as you put it- the dot-org. Only if the tax laws in the States could be amended in order to entice more tech companies to go in that &#8216;hybrid&#8217; direction.<br />
Presently, in Jamaica, we get private sector clients to invest in Open Source GIS solutions for government. Out of this arrangement emerges a for-benefit project, but it takes a while for all the stakeholders to realize our intentions. To me, adopting a vivid phrase like dot-org can only help unite our parallel missions. Thanks for all your great work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I work for a dot-org by social biz &#171; Into The Pudding</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/i-work-for-a-dot-org/#comment-18083</link>
		<dc:creator>social biz &#171; Into The Pudding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8216;Social Business&#8217;. I do hope the meme builds momentum, and I&#8217;m hoping my &#8216;dot-org&#8216; concept can grow to be the technological sector of the social business world. It&#8217;s a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8216;Social Business&#8217;. I do hope the meme builds momentum, and I&#8217;m hoping my &#8216;dot-org&#8216; concept can grow to be the technological sector of the social business world. It&#8217;s a [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate&#8230; by Pat Lockhart</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2005/12/26/our-greatest-fear-is-not-that-we-are-inadequate/#comment-18080</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Lockhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, found this quote through the movie, Akeelah and the Bee, and was moved by it.  Marianne Williamson is an inspiring writer.  We are fortunate to have the opportunity to enjoy education and literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, found this quote through the movie, Akeelah and the Bee, and was moved by it.  Marianne Williamson is an inspiring writer.  We are fortunate to have the opportunity to enjoy education and literature.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Location Matters by Real Free Home Online Jobs</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2006/01/04/location-matters/#comment-18079</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Free Home Online Jobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Real Free Home Online Jobs...&lt;/strong&gt;

Real Free Home Online Jobs...</description>
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<p>Real Free Home Online Jobs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Mapping: The Business Thread, cont. by Benchiktovchik</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/collaborative-mapping-the-business-thread-cont/#comment-18078</link>
		<dc:creator>Benchiktovchik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Приветствую всех!
У меня такой вопрос,кто что интересное подскажет буду признателен.
Мы с друзьями собираемся поехать в круиз по просторам России и ближнего зарубежья месяца на два на своих машинах,но не как не можем согласовать маршрут,если у кого уже был опыт такого путешествия,может,что посоветуете.Девчонок с собой не берем,думаем,что во все городах России с этим не будет проблем,если у кого будут рекомендации и в вопросе отдыха с девушками тоже буду признателен.

               С уважением Сеньчик</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Приветствую всех!<br />
У меня такой вопрос,кто что интересное подскажет буду признателен.<br />
Мы с друзьями собираемся поехать в круиз по просторам России и ближнего зарубежья месяца на два на своих машинах,но не как не можем согласовать маршрут,если у кого уже был опыт такого путешествия,может,что посоветуете.Девчонок с собой не берем,думаем,что во все городах России с этим не будет проблем,если у кого будут рекомендации и в вопросе отдыха с девушками тоже буду признателен.</p>
<p>               С уважением Сеньчик</p>
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		<title>Comment on Location Matters by peoples benefit life insurance</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2006/01/04/location-matters/#comment-18077</link>
		<dc:creator>peoples benefit life insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;peoples benefit life insurance...&lt;/strong&gt;

admixes sees Kickapoo sunflower forges ...</description>
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<p>admixes sees Kickapoo sunflower forges &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Freedom of Information and Geodata by kkigyda</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2006/07/09/freedom-of-information-and-geodata/#comment-18076</link>
		<dc:creator>kkigyda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He had never had pulled her &lt;a href="http://christinaaguiles.proboards80.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;christina aguilera dirrty&lt;/a&gt;  taste her over a.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He had never had pulled her <a href="http://christinaaguiles.proboards80.com" rel="nofollow">christina aguilera dirrty</a>  taste her over a.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New GeoServer Blog by Online Retail Shopping</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/new-geoserver-blog/#comment-18075</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Retail Shopping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;"Shopping" "Shopping Tips" "Discounts" "Discount Tips" "Best Discounts" 'Best Discounts Online" "Cheap Deals Online" "Online Retail Shopping"...&lt;/strong&gt;

Online Retail Shopping...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;Shopping&#8221; &#8220;Shopping Tips&#8221; &#8220;Discounts&#8221; &#8220;Discount Tips&#8221; &#8220;Best Discounts&#8221; &#8216;Best Discounts Online&#8221; &#8220;Cheap Deals Online&#8221; &#8220;Online Retail Shopping&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Online Retail Shopping&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate&#8230; by Latasha Carter</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2005/12/26/our-greatest-fear-is-not-that-we-are-inadequate/#comment-18071</link>
		<dc:creator>Latasha Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely love the quote, it has inspired me and changed my life. Working in Corporate American, we as black people at times may forget who we really are. " We are powerful beyond mesure", and white people know that! I saw both movies, and they were both great quotes. I have printed it out and put it on an African American paper and placed it on my desk, and someone always seems to be intrigued by it. It's more than just a quote it is a way of life. Peace to all my brothers and sisters, one love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely love the quote, it has inspired me and changed my life. Working in Corporate American, we as black people at times may forget who we really are. &#8221; We are powerful beyond mesure&#8221;, and white people know that! I saw both movies, and they were both great quotes. I have printed it out and put it on an African American paper and placed it on my desk, and someone always seems to be intrigued by it. It&#8217;s more than just a quote it is a way of life. Peace to all my brothers and sisters, one love.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New GeoServer Blog by christian cafe review</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/new-geoserver-blog/#comment-18062</link>
		<dc:creator>christian cafe review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 00:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;christian cafe review...&lt;/strong&gt;

Global Domains International, GDI: Web Hosting Goes MLM. What is MLM, you may be asking? It stands for Multi- Level- Marketing and it is typically a Network Marketing business that people find appealing due to theway in which these businesses can be op...</description>
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<p>Global Domains International, GDI: Web Hosting Goes MLM. What is MLM, you may be asking? It stands for Multi- Level- Marketing and it is typically a Network Marketing business that people find appealing due to theway in which these businesses can be op&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on OpenGeo.org by cholmes</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/opengeoorg/#comment-18061</link>
		<dc:creator>cholmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a lot of what we're going for in the branding and image in the world is to flip the traditional open source perception on its head a bit - it tends to be seen as the 'affordable' option, a bit lesser quality, but if it works for you then great.  We believe our software is the best out there, but instead of hiding it behind a large price tag we let &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; use it for free, and you can use our services if you want it custom tailored to your needs.  The people who actually built the software will be the ones you interact with, not some long ticketing system process where you have to wait for the next release.  We deliver the bug fixes right away, and then incorporate them in to the code for others as well.  We craft implementations to meet the unique needs of the client, instead of trying to squeeze them in to the box we already made.  This level of access requires a premium price.  Since we're going for a premium brand we don't want the price of services to undercut that, as we really have built a collection of the best geospatial programmers in the world.

With the enterprise packages a lot of what we're going for is pricing that makes it so we're actually compared with the proprietary stuff.  Right now we aren't even considered in many evaluations, since there's a strong perception that if it's cheap or free it must not be as good.  Our software is as good if not better than anything out there by most all metrics.  Note also that there are significant discounts in consulting rates when you get the enterprise packages, so the services rate ends up only really being applicable for very short term consulting, which has much higher overhead with setting up contracts and interrupting the flow of our team and the like.

As for paying back common capital, we have no requirement to do that, but we are looking to generate more capital to continue to grow the OpenGeo stack.  We're set up as a not for profit, so once we reach our revenue goals we can work purely on making the software better, taking it in the directions that are interesting to us that no client requires yet.  So it's more about creating an economic engine to really further the OpenGeo stack in to the future, to hire more people to work on it directly, who make it even better and attract more customers in a virtuous cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a lot of what we&#8217;re going for in the branding and image in the world is to flip the traditional open source perception on its head a bit - it tends to be seen as the &#8216;affordable&#8217; option, a bit lesser quality, but if it works for you then great.  We believe our software is the best out there, but instead of hiding it behind a large price tag we let <i>anyone</i> use it for free, and you can use our services if you want it custom tailored to your needs.  The people who actually built the software will be the ones you interact with, not some long ticketing system process where you have to wait for the next release.  We deliver the bug fixes right away, and then incorporate them in to the code for others as well.  We craft implementations to meet the unique needs of the client, instead of trying to squeeze them in to the box we already made.  This level of access requires a premium price.  Since we&#8217;re going for a premium brand we don&#8217;t want the price of services to undercut that, as we really have built a collection of the best geospatial programmers in the world.</p>
<p>With the enterprise packages a lot of what we&#8217;re going for is pricing that makes it so we&#8217;re actually compared with the proprietary stuff.  Right now we aren&#8217;t even considered in many evaluations, since there&#8217;s a strong perception that if it&#8217;s cheap or free it must not be as good.  Our software is as good if not better than anything out there by most all metrics.  Note also that there are significant discounts in consulting rates when you get the enterprise packages, so the services rate ends up only really being applicable for very short term consulting, which has much higher overhead with setting up contracts and interrupting the flow of our team and the like.</p>
<p>As for paying back common capital, we have no requirement to do that, but we are looking to generate more capital to continue to grow the OpenGeo stack.  We&#8217;re set up as a not for profit, so once we reach our revenue goals we can work purely on making the software better, taking it in the directions that are interesting to us that no client requires yet.  So it&#8217;s more about creating an economic engine to really further the OpenGeo stack in to the future, to hire more people to work on it directly, who make it even better and attract more customers in a virtuous cycle.</p>
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		<title>Comment on OpenGeo.org by Yves Moisan</title>
		<link>http://cholmes.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/opengeoorg/#comment-18060</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Moisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see OpenPlans delve into geospatial services.  I wonder how you have come up with the hourly rates at &lt;a href="http://opengeo.org/services/#ee" title="Opengeo EE" rel="nofollow"&gt;OpenGeo EE&lt;/a&gt;.  Charged rates usually are a function of the workers rate.  The highest multiplying factors are in the 2.5 to 3 times the worker's rate (over here anyhow).  At 200 $, that means almost 70 $ an hour paid to the worker at the highest multiplying factor.  I want to work for you guys ;-).

Seriously, I was wondering if the rate was set because it was deemed to be at par with the rest of the industry or whether the relatively high hourly rate was a function of having to somehow pay back for the common capital that has been built (with more or less interesting hourly rates) in the open geo stack over the years.  

I'm not questioning the rates, just curious.  In fact I'm thrilled by the business model you propose, which is pretty much in line with the &lt;a href="http://www.cluetrain.com/" title="Cluetrain Manifesto" rel="nofollow"&gt;Cluetrain Manifesto&lt;/a&gt; and what customers are starting to appreciate from their consulting gig.

Good luck to OpenGeo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see OpenPlans delve into geospatial services.  I wonder how you have come up with the hourly rates at <a href="http://opengeo.org/services/#ee" title="Opengeo EE" rel="nofollow">OpenGeo EE</a>.  Charged rates usually are a function of the workers rate.  The highest multiplying factors are in the 2.5 to 3 times the worker&#8217;s rate (over here anyhow).  At 200 $, that means almost 70 $ an hour paid to the worker at the highest multiplying factor.  I want to work for you guys ;-).</p>
<p>Seriously, I was wondering if the rate was set because it was deemed to be at par with the rest of the industry or whether the relatively high hourly rate was a function of having to somehow pay back for the common capital that has been built (with more or less interesting hourly rates) in the open geo stack over the years.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not questioning the rates, just curious.  In fact I&#8217;m thrilled by the business model you propose, which is pretty much in line with the <a href="http://www.cluetrain.com/" title="Cluetrain Manifesto" rel="nofollow">Cluetrain Manifesto</a> and what customers are starting to appreciate from their consulting gig.</p>
<p>Good luck to OpenGeo.</p>
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		<dc:creator>OpenGeo &#171; Digifesto</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on OpenGeo.org by Mateusz Loskot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mateusz Loskot</dc:creator>
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		<description>Nice changes up there in TOPP team! Let me know when you'll be conquering Europe and opening your office here :-)</description>
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-Exchange rate of E-Gold is 25% that makes it completely illiquid for business on the Internet. 
-Leading payment systems of the world are frequently enough being ddos-attacked. 
 
-Paypal conducts a policy of population distrust thinking that nearly every customer is a fraudster. 
Many payment systems have undermined the trust in virtual economy industry but it should not lead to refuse to manage your finances and to carry out fast, convenient and safe transactions on the Internet. 
It’s not a secret that Internet users were waiting forward the appearance of reliable and stable payment system which could make all financial operations as simple as it only possible. Before the appearance of Perfect Money people lacked 100% confidence in reliability of payment system and understanding that their money is secure and can be used anytime the owner wishes. 
 
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Fortunately, in liberal Switzerland gambling payments are treated in other way, people understand that it is a multibillion industry and it’s worthless to restrain its development, though anyway it is impossible as people will not stop paying in casinos. 
 
At collaboration of online casino with Perfect Money a number of players increase as well as casino’s turnover. Besides as you register in system with Business status you get some discounts for work with Perfect Money. Also you may also get payoffs under partner program from the players registered in Perfect Money, and at good traffic this will become a good income in addition to your monthly profit. 
 
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PerfectMoney system can be used almost for any payments on the Internet and the possibility to integrate Perfect Money with any other Internet projects is limited only by your fantasy! 
I can tell about Perfect Money endlessly but in the beginning of the text we were asking – why exactly Perfect Money? I think that after all that was said above another question should arise – why not Perfect Money? Perfect Money system is ideal both for Internet business and for common users, so there should be no other questions and we choose Perfect Money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The World of Perfect Money. Make your Business only with ease ! </p>
<p>Why Perfect Money? </p>
<p>Earlier I as well as other people was asking myself one and the same question “Why exactly Perfect Money???”<br />
After the first acquaintance with Perfect Money I understood that this system has really taken all the best of Swiss banking and electronic payment system. For me Perfect Money is a reliable surety that my electronic money is always under protection of Swiss payment system. Especially since the issue of finances’ safety is very important today.<br />
-As it is known world economic crisis is all the rage today and it draws in more and more countries worldwide.<br />
-Exchange rate of E-Gold is 25% that makes it completely illiquid for business on the Internet.<br />
-Leading payment systems of the world are frequently enough being ddos-attacked. </p>
<p>-Paypal conducts a policy of population distrust thinking that nearly every customer is a fraudster.<br />
Many payment systems have undermined the trust in virtual economy industry but it should not lead to refuse to manage your finances and to carry out fast, convenient and safe transactions on the Internet.<br />
It’s not a secret that Internet users were waiting forward the appearance of reliable and stable payment system which could make all financial operations as simple as it only possible. Before the appearance of Perfect Money people lacked 100% confidence in reliability of payment system and understanding that their money is secure and can be used anytime the owner wishes. </p>
<p>Having studied PerfectMoney.com in details I concluded that this payment system can be useful both for common users of the Internet and for online business structures. </p>
<p>I would advise owners of Internet shops selling merchandise, services or content online to figure in with PerfectMoney. Cooperation with Perfect Money allows you to enlarge client base of your internet shop with users of Perfect Money that will surely increase your turnover. Programmers of Internet shops will surely note professional and highly secured API merchant and Shopping cart, which allow everybody to automatize the receipt of payment for goods and services of your Internet shop. Perfect Money users will become your potential client base and will spend their Perfect Money in your shop with a great pleasure. Cooperating with perfectmoney.com you will get Business Premium status at once, which will allow you to work with Perfect Money and also with contractors and suppliers at the lower rates and to get a full range of services. </p>
<p>To attach your shop to system of payment receipt via Perfect Money it is necessary to: </p>
<p>1. Sigh up in the system and to choose Business status. During registration specify the website of your shop Perfectmoney.com. </p>
<p>2. After registration in customer area download and adjust API for you Internet shop </p>
<p>3. Having adjusted API and Shopping Cart add a sign with link “PerfectMoney accepted” from Perfect Money Promo Materials </p>
<p>4. Add the logo of your site to our Perfect Money Directory and enlarge your client base. </p>
<p>Start earning with PerfectMoney! </p>
<p>Common users can easily pay for merchandise and services directly from the system. You may send bank transfers to any bank worldwide or convert your perfectmoney to other electronic currencies. </p>
<p>Also you can easily keep your financial accounting, look through your statement extract and to export it into any format convenient for you. </p>
<p>In addition, PerfectMoney is an ideal payment system for making P2P payments. It’s very important especially since very often it is necessary to pay for some merchandise or service without disclosing your personality. Unfortunately, banks and governmental organizations are trying to limit the confidentiality of all the payments by all known and unknown methods. It’s a pity but today they are joined by payment systems. So, for example, E-gold is leaving anonymity policy and provides its base to secret services and FBI.<br />
Perfect Money in its turn guarantees the confidentiality at making transactions. Perfect Money accounts remain impersonal and it’s impossible to know the receiver or payment by account number. At all-round total control Perfect Money is the best alternative for such payments. Perfect Money does not require any additional information and always stays at the customer’s side in case if money is not stolen and not obtained from drug or cp trade. </p>
<p>My experience of work with Perfectmoney prompts me that there is no other system that treat its customers and their activity on the Internet as liberal and democratically as Perfectmoney.com </p>
<p>It is very easy to send and receive payments: </p>
<p>1. Register in the system using this link Perfectmoney.com. </p>
<p>2. Send this link to the person whom you want to send money and having got an account number from him you may make money transfer. </p>
<p>It is very comfortable and practical to use Perfect Money. Sign up now and start paying and receiving payment right now! </p>
<p>PerfectMoney can be convenient for investment business. </p>
<p>Successful investment business requires convenient, fast and reliable payment tool. PerfectMoney provides everything for this. Convenient merchant allows making receiving and sending of payment automatically. Your investors can get the payments completely automatically and with appearance of sign “Perfect Money accepted” on your site your investment program will become more popular and profitable. </p>
<p>A great advantage of PerfectMoney is the possibility to fund your internal account in Perfect Money with various methods – bank wire, from the accounts in other payment system (e-gold, webmoney, pecunix) and via exchange partners of the system. With all this you can minimize the time for funding account in perfect money and to join quickly this or that investment program. If you create your investment program with PerfectMoney and you will be able to receive other Internet currencies and bank wires that is a good alternative to your investment program. </p>
<p>Sign up in the system and increase your turnover right now Perfectmoney.com. </p>
<p>Investments. Safety of funds. Variety of currencies. </p>
<p>We always think how to keep money to save it from inflation and other financial risks and how to keep it from depreciation. Bank system of many countries is unstable to the occurring risks that make you doubt safety of you funds. .<br />
But now you can make up your portfolio basing on your preferences. You may invest your cash in euro, USD and gold and thereby to protect yourself against currency risks. </p>
<p>At payment of 7% of annual interest from the minimum monthly balance in your account you will get an excellent opportunity not only to keep your money but also to earn on it as in a real bank that will help you to safe your funds from inflation and crisis. All gold, dollar and euro accounts in PerfectMoney are backed by real money and gold. Your funds and gold is kept in Switzerland and in Cyprus that reduces political risks as well as all these countries are the most stable on political arena. </p>
<p>Invest in gold. In perspective this precious metal always rises in price and will never go down. Perfectmoney.com. </p>
<p>You need to accept payments for gambling? You came to the right shop! </p>
<p>All of us understand that useless attempts of USA authorities, lobbied by Las Vegas mob to ban Americans to play in online casino. But with this they breach themselves their main principles of freedom and democracy in the USA. As the result, demand has not disappeared but the US authorities do their best to hamper the work of payment systems offering their services on accepting payment for gambling. Everybody knows the story of Neteller system.<br />
Fortunately, in liberal Switzerland gambling payments are treated in other way, people understand that it is a multibillion industry and it’s worthless to restrain its development, though anyway it is impossible as people will not stop paying in casinos. </p>
<p>At collaboration of online casino with Perfect Money a number of players increase as well as casino’s turnover. Besides as you register in system with Business status you get some discounts for work with Perfect Money. Also you may also get payoffs under partner program from the players registered in Perfect Money, and at good traffic this will become a good income in addition to your monthly profit. </p>
<p>Build your casino together with Perfect Money. Sign up here Perfectmoney.com </p>
<p>You work in the field of adult business and need to receive and to sent payments? In this case PerfectMoney is definitely for you! </p>
<p>In view of rapid development of adult-industry on the Internet the need in reliable payment system only grows. At work in adult business one very often faces the problem of paying a great number of employees for various content or services. Perfect Money has all the functions for convenient work in adult business integrated. There is an opportunity to accept wires from partner programs and from various sites. Also you may use internal wires free of charge to settle with a great number of partners or contractors without delays. Also, accepting Perfect Money as settlement currency for content you do not lose a cent as unlike billing credit cards where loses can be near 20%, internal transactions in perfectmoney are not charged. Thus, you may outrun all your competitors by decreasing the cost for your services owing to reduce of expenses. You may set our API to your own taste to meet the requirements your particular project. Recurrent payments for servers and salaries to the personnel can become irreplaceable as<br />
sistant for your accountants as well. </p>
<p>Adult webmaster – do you need a reliable and profitable payment system, go here Perfectmoney.com </p>
<p>Perfect Money is useful for hosters! </p>
<p>If you work in the field of hosting you should accept payments via Perfect Money automatically without fail. Your customers will be able to register domain or to buy hosting at yours, or even to order server automatically. Convenience of settlements with other people and possibility to export your statement extract into excel format can make your work easier at the maximum. </p>
<p>Your hosting-business should accept Perfect Money! Sign up here Perfectmoney.com. </p>
<p>PerfectMoney system can be used almost for any payments on the Internet and the possibility to integrate Perfect Money with any other Internet projects is limited only by your fantasy!<br />
I can tell about Perfect Money endlessly but in the beginning of the text we were asking – why exactly Perfect Money? I think that after all that was said above another question should arise – why not Perfect Money? Perfect Money system is ideal both for Internet business and for common users, so there should be no other questions and we choose Perfect Money!</p>
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